IP out of TPP?

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My colleague David spotted this:

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/tpp-apec-summit-talks-1.4396984

If true, seems like good news?

Cheers
Jordan

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I reckon, thanks, Jordan.

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Indeed it does appear to be good news!

Looks like IP is out of the TPPA.

Mandy

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Hi,

If IP changes were removed from TPPA then I fully support the agreement.
Though it would be awesome to add in fair use, I don't think this is
included though (especially since this is a american thing?).

Any update on how Gareths Fair Use bill is since Greens are in govt now?

Cheers,

William.

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Without the IP chapters, the TPPA is about 30% defanged, I reckon. In
any form it's a total disaster for NZ (and all the nations signing it,
really).

The main issue is the simple volume of legal text. I've explained it in
more depth: https://davelane.nz/tppa-select-committee-presentation

I must admit I'm quite devastated by the Labour Gov'ts breach of trust,
after campaigning on rejecting it altogether (including its petition to
have it abandoned). As I told the Select Committee, I consider any Gov't
that passes the TPPA traitors to the people of NZ.

Cheers,

Dave

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Hi everyone

Picking up on this again, from my reading this morning news outlets in NZ
haven’t provided much detail on than vague references to the intellectual
property provisions being out of the revised agreement. However, I found this
official list of ‘suspended’ provisions in the new CPTPP from DFAT in
Australia.

http://dfat.gov.au/trade/agreements/tpp/news/Documents/annex-2.pdf

No. 14 is ‘Term of Protection for Copyright and Related Rights’ and the list
also includes those provisions relating to patents, TPMs and some other things
related to IP.

It seems to be being suggested that ‘suspension’ leaves open the door to
renegotiation of these points at a later date between members of the agreement
or indeed anyone who might enter it at a later date.

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there are plenty more things to be concerned about beyond IP in the TPP,
in particular the undemocratic ISDS that will allow corporations to sue
governments in secret offshore courts.

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2017/11/12/labour-largely-endorses-nationals-tppa-but-its-not-all-over-what-now/

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Hi folks,

Realise I'm late to the party, but hooray to this!

It is good to know that we'll be heading into the NZ copyright review next
year without the unknown element of the TPP hanging over our heads.

Ngā mihi,
Bronwyn

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As I understand it, the IP provisions are not out just suspended until such
time as the US may want to join the original TPPA. As the legislation has been
passed implementing the changes into our legislation, it will happen
automatically the instant the US ratifies the original agreement.

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Yes, the IP chapter is merely suspended... and because ISDS is still in,
the real problem with the TPPA is still a real problem: corporations
have the ability to litigate against countries who pass legislation
(e.g. a new Copyright act) which they see affecting their profits.
Ultimately, the real threat of the TPPA is simple: it's 6000 pages of
lobbyist written words, all of which have "legal interpretation" and
which discuss a broad swath of business aspects.

That verbiage provides huge opportunities for corporate lawyers to find
litigation-worthy issues with any new legislation we might create here
in NZ.

Our Gov't will be very very loath to pass legisation that's in any way
contentious (totally affecting our ability to govern ourselves by
creating/change laws or policy) because, as Edward Snowden famously
said: "one thing that's clear is that Apple has better lawyers [than the
US Gov't]" and more generally, multinationals have better lawyers.

The TPPA is bad in any form, because it provides corporate lawyers with
thousands of pages of ammunition with which to beat up the participating
nations' gov'ts. It *will* happen (look around the world at existing
corporate lawsuits against Uruguay, Australia, the US, and Canada, just
for example).

Cheers,

Dave

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> As the legislation has been passed implementing the changes into our
legislation, it will happen automatically the instant the US ratifies the
original agreement.

Ah, no.

https://twitter.com/nullary/status/929093272030519296

Hamish

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